WANTED: beginner project

topic posted Sat, September 1, 2007 - 3:35 AM by  Gabriel
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Greetings All,
I was excited to find the page, but after watching for a bit I noticed that nobody is talking. I hope that means that everyone is out at the still house working their butts off laying up batches of distilled goodness for the long winter ahead.

Total Newbie letter follow:
I am interested in trying my hand at distilling, but wanted to get your collective advice on a confidence building project. I would like for my first batch not be a total looser so how do I start?

Where did you buy your still?
Did you build your still?
Which would you recommend?
When building a still how big is too big?
Who is your supplier for barrels, yeast, bottles?
What do you use for your base Grain, Grape, Molasses?

I have always presumed that you needed an ATF tax stamp or approval letter to run a home still. Is this accurate? Can anyone point me to a condensed how-to page so I can apply for my stamp? I am in the military so while I am sure you could get away without making the effort with a tax stamp, I really do need to play by the rules.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Yours in Service,
Gabriel
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Gabriel
New York
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    Re: WANTED: beginner project

    Mon, September 3, 2007 - 4:07 AM
    • Re: WANTED: beginner project

      Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:00 PM
      What does a buddhist treastise have to do with distilling? Did I not watch enough of the video?
      • Re: WANTED: beginner project

        Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:09 PM
        heidski's,
        Perhaps I should have been more clear : )

        Does anyone have a beginner level distilling project? I have been working through the links from Cliffs recent posting and it's really great stuff. There are some great resources out there and it's taken me a bit to read through it all.

        I have always preferred the wheated bourbons like Makers Mark and I was wondering if anyone had a recipe for a small batch of wheated bourbon.

        Thanks for sharing.

        Yours in Service,
        Gabriel
  • Re: WANTED: beginner project

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:08 AM
    Honest Gabe I see not "beginner" level of entry. You simply build yourself a still and take off after the alcohol purity of your preference.

    I guess if there were a beginner level of distilling you might try for a high purity vodka using a reflux still. After all, the vodka production doesn't require the long, and technical storage in used wine or port barrels (costing as much as $1500 a barrel) in a carefully controlled storage facility where you rotate the barrels every six months or so.

    At any rate, you simply can not make bourbon or any other whiskey is some places because the water has iron in it and iron in the water will destroy whiskey. So unless you are importing Iron free water from Tennessee you ain't making no Bourbon. Even if you did you''d have to adjust the Ph so very closely and just the right aspect of chaulkiness to the water to get the wash right. Whiskey is the high art of distilling.

    Iron is a main reason why most stills you see are made from copper. In the US most the home grown distillers are moonshine or whiskey producers and they need an iron free still. It's also the reason why Whiskey is not made in NJ or NY State etc. Stainless steel is just steel which is alloyed with chromium (among other things) The chrome forms on the surface of the steel in a molar layer and that chromic-oxide layer (called the passive layer) doesn't let the metal oxidize. However, it will let the iron and the mash interact. So you gotta have a copper still for whiskey. But, making whiskey is a whole universe of it's own.

    Besides ya need years and years just to let the first batch refine in the barrels.



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    • Re: WANTED: beginner project

      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:06 PM
      Cliff,
      I think you are right; it looks like Vodka would be a good product to practice on until I at least get comfortable working the still. To be honest, I really do want to try whiskey. I understand my product might not be worth drinking for a while, but its about the journey not the destination.

      I was impressed by the still maker from your links. Do you know anyone who has used one of them? If they have a good reputation I am thinking about buying from them just to get started sooner.

      Thanks again for your continued help.

      Yours in Service,
      Gabriel

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